The Florida-Michigan Farce

I have never gotten so involved in ANY election as with this Democratic primaries and find it offensive that they even have to consider away to sit Florida and Michigan when both states sign and agreement as well as the candidates.
Oh, no, now Mrs. Clinton who has been running in the name and in the shadows of her husband Bill Clinton wants both Florida and Michigan popular votes and delegates because that is the ONLY way that she can argue that she has been the most popular. As, though we where so naive and can add numbers to know that she is done.
I do have a suggestion for the DNC who are meeting on Saturday. Since Obama did not campaign in Florida nor Michigan and neither did Mrs. Clinton. Why not give her the Florida delegates and split the Michigan delegates 50/50; and not give either of them the popular vote.

the Clintons should be ashamed of their relentless efforts to foment resentment and divisiveness in the party by playing 'victim.'
The comparisons of the process to the Zimbabwe, and the 2000 Florida debacle are insulting to any informed person.
Sadly, their despicable tactics seem to be working on some (see above).

Wednesday May 28, 2008 Muenchen-Trudering Bayern

The plain fact is that if Michigan and/or Florida do not have voting delegations at the Convention reflecting the votes actually cast, regardless of the circumstances of Senator Barack Hussein Obama Jr. not winning either Primary, the Republican Party will use it to accuse the Democratics of not being "democratic". This becomes a political problem in Florida, where I was born, for the Democrats as the Jewish population has no faith in Obama despite popular and active Congressman Robert Wexler's considerable work for Senator Obama in Florida. The recent news in the English papers that President Jimmy Carter's Foreign Affairs Advisor Professor Zbigniew Brzezinski has attacked a Jewish group backing Israel as "McCarthyite" combined with President Carter's comments about Israel's possible nuclear arsenal and other issues, only puts Obama deeper in the red with Jewish voters, especially in Florida.
What is to be done is up to the Credentials Committee and Convention, but whatever is done, the Democratic Party ahs to understand without a believeable, logical, fair resolution that respects votes that were cast, the Republicans will get an advantage, and in Florida that could be disasterous.

Joe Con-hole is barely readable.

Yes, President McCain will have to do something about the Dem's inability to run any organization. The Democrats couldn't lead a whore to bed.

It's almost refreshing to see that those posters who oppose Obama are able to do so only with name-calling rather than intelligent comment. It's interesting how some people tend to sputter when things aren't going their way. The fortunate thing is that, while such sputtering may serve as an emotional outlet for the small-minded and frustrated, it only convinces most people that the sputters are wrong.

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HILLARY AND HER 'GANG OF OUTLAWS' WILL ATTEMPT ONE OF THE BIGGEST ROBBERIES IN HISTORY THIS WEEKEND BY KIDNAPPING & EXTORTING MEMBERS OF THE DNC RULES COMMITTEE.
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DON'T LET IT HAPPEN.
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REMIND THE DNC THAT "IT WILL CAUSE AN INSURRECTION WITHIN THE PARTY AND THE ELECTION OF MCCAIN/BUSH" IF HILLARY STEALS THE NOMINATION WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY OBAMA'S.

FORECAST: IF HILLARY STEALS THE NOMINATION FROM OBAMA, IT WILL 'RAIN MCCAIN' IN NOVEMBER.
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To BL:
You say in your post, "I'm a 73 year old white woman and I'll not live to see a woman President thanks to the "in the tank" media and the stupid DNC. I'm not only bitter but I feel pure de old hatred toward them."

That statement makes it sound like you're not voting for Mr. Obama based on the media's mentality, and the supposed stupidity of the DNC. If that is indeed correct, then you will be voting based on a perspective spun through the lens of bias and prejudice. Your vote will be cast by the influence of how someone has told you you should vote. How sad for you.

Hey Eric,

Don't be so intolerant. You'll be old too some day. I am a 71 year old white woman and Obama supporter who reads the Observer on line every day.

BL does not speak for me or any of the millions of other women who support Senator Obama. While I hope sometime in my life to see a woman elected President, I could never vote for an unethical, dishonest candidate even if she does have a vagina.

In my humble opinion the problem lies in the mis-management of a political party..that being Howard Dean & his side-kick Terry McAuliffe. Terry was the former DNC chief and a large fund-raiser for Bill Clinton, which is what got him the job of DNC Chief over Maynard Jackson who was next in line. I don't know who thought Howard Dean, a doctor, was the best choice to be the head of the DNC, but this party has been in a downward spiral since Ron Brown left. Nothing good has come out of it; no ideas, directions, nothing...they couldn't even manage to draft a prosecutor to look into the Bush white house when they regained the leadership position, possibly making Scott McClennan's book unnecessary. But what really gets my goat is that the Clinton's, Terry and Howard are all in collusion and this Michigan, Florida flap is their fault..they made the rules , the states broke them and now you tell me that Hillary should benefit...I don't think so..because I do believe in the constitution and that those delegations should not be dis-enfranchised, they fairest thing to do is split them right down the middle. Any thing else is un-Godly..

Rocketscience-I agree with B.L., she is NOT voting against Obama simply because the talking heads told her to do so. She is angry because their undue influence coupled with young/uninformed and AA primary voters have given us the wrong outcome. Barack Obama will not remake D.C. next year. In fact, I have serious doubts he can win in November with the headwind he is facing. Race is only a small part of his problem and that would have always been there. The racists in the Red states are hardly going to change their stripes and vote for him in the GE, so the argument that Barack will re-invent the electoral battle between the parties and win in the states he beat HRC during the primary season is just that; an argument for argument's sake. It doesn't make sense that bigots will support him when we all vote in December. Secondly, Obama is not a Colin Powell. He does not have the respect or experience of Powell and he is not respected by Republicans in mass which makes his vision of changing the tone in D.C. as likely as GWB's effort since 2001. In other words, somewhere between slim and none (and Slim is already on vacation in The Hamptons)! The net is that his nomination will lose both votes in this household. I promise.

The Democratic Nomination was Hillary Clinton's to lose, and lose it she did, but not because she has been treated badly by the process or the press. In fact, the only person who has treated Hillary Clinton badly is Bill Clinton. No, Hillary lost it by hiring the wrong people to manage and run her campaign, by taking advice from poll-driven, criminally overcompensated consultants, by allowing Bubba, The Red-Faced Closet Racist to make a fool of himself (and, by association, the candidate) so often that he ended up driving long-time, deeply loyal African American voters to Barack Obama in droves. No mean feat, that.

No, HRC has nobody but herself to blame. She should have stood up for those poor disenfranchised Michigan and Florida voters from the get go (you know, like back when she didn't think she needed them) if she wants to be able to con anyone into actually believing that it is they who she cares about, not little Hilly from the Block (not sure which block, or even which state).

Oh, and screw the poor disenfranchised would-be voters who stayed home because they were told that their votes wouldn't count. After all, that's the policy that was agreed to by all of the candidates, right? Well, until one of them realized she'd be needing those votes, and badly. So I wonder on who's behalf is it that she's fighting so darned hard. Oh, yeah, women! She's fighting for me and my daughters all poor, disenfranchised, downtrodden women, plus the downtrodden hard-working people, those hard-working white people from her home state of Pennsylvania; her home state of Arkansas; her home state of Illinois; her home, uh, district of Columbia, and last, but not least, her fellow New Yorkers from her great home state of New York. But just the ones who didn't attend Smith and Yale like she did and don't live in a big old pile in Chappaqua. Hillary is fighting the good fight for the little people -- you know, light-skinned ones the ones who press her pantsuits and pack her a peck of pickled peppers to eat in the limo (she's fighting for the driver, too) on the way to her private plane.

It looked like Hill was good to go until she ran smack into that young upstart Obama, with all the perks that naturally come of being the black son of a white woman who's husband left when Barack was two years old. Sooo not fair! Even if he didn't have her network of connections from years in the Governor's Mansion, and the White House, and the Senate, good Lord, this was a black man in America with a highly memorable name! How could a wealthy white woman (often mentioned as being the most famous woman in the world) married to the most popular Democratic President in decades possibly trump the black card?

As it happened, the answer most definitely was not by playing it herself. That's when she lost my middle-aged, white woman from New York vote. Well, that and the Obama fairytale, Jesse Jackson was winning in the South, not a Muslim that I know of, Obama can't win against McCain, hasn't passed the Commander-in-Chief test (although she and (God help her) McCain had); can't win the hardworking people, white people vote, is sexist and/or misogynist and/or cocaine dealer, I was shot at by snipers in Bosnia, I will stay in the race because JFK got shot in June, I am being victimized by the press, the process, the Old Boys Club, and so are YOU comments we've had to endure throughout this long, so unbearably long, primary season.

As a woman who genuinely wants to see other women succeed and move forward in the struggle for equality (and in which we are indeed still fully engaged), please see that the writing is on the wall, the campaign has run its course, and it's time to withdraw with your dignity intact. Eventually there has to be a winner and an loser, and Obama has won. It is now up to you to be a good loser and gracefully exit the race. Do it for your supporters, for the Democratic Party, for your country, your family, and most of all, do it for women and, finally, for yourself.

Carter, while I would agree that Hillary Clinton's loss can largely be blamed on herself for failing to plan beyond Super Tuesday and for hiring overpaid hacks like Mark Penn, you really go too far when you refer to Bill Clinton as "The Red-Faced Closet Racist"! That is an absolutely ridiculous charge. I am sick to death of people accusing BOTH Clintons of being racists with many of these charges based on distortions of innocuous remarks (e.g., Hillary Clinton correctly pointing out LBJ's role in pushing through the most sweeping civil rights legislation in history--a remark that was distorted as "racist" in mass e-mails that were sent out by the Obama campaign).

At the beginning of this campaign, my preference was actually John Edwards because I liked his proposal for universal health care, his commitment to fight poverty, and his passion for domestic issues. My second choice at that point was Barack Obama. HOWEVER, the more I saw of Obama and his supporters, the LESS I cared for the man! Between David Axelrod and other Obama surrogates calling for Hillary Clinton to drop out since the Iowa caucus; Axelrod, Obama, and Obama surrogates whining about how "unfair" it was for the Super Delegates to be in the position to decide the nominee when Hillary had been endorsed by the bulk of the Super Delegates to that point (like this business with the Super Delegates was something "new"--yeah, right!), the constant mantra that Bill and Hillary Clinton were "racists" for EVERY SINGLE remark that could POSSIBLY be construed as having ANY racial connotation (and it took a lot of reaching to twist some of these comments into something negative), and the final straw for me was when the Obama campaign actively worked to disenfranchise Michigan primary voters by working tooth and nail to oppose a re-vote by making the ridiculous "claim" that having caucuses would somehow be "more democratic" than holding a new primary!

I can certainly count so I KNOW that Obama WILL be the Democratic nominee--certainly NOT because he is the candidate "with the momentum" or even the strongest candidate, but because the Super Delegates would not DARE go against Obama at this point. Most of the Clinton supporters certainly realize this now, but with incendiary e-mails circulated by the Obama campaign and/or Obama supporters that have made all sorts of outrageous charges about the Clintons ranging from claims that BOTH Clintons are "racists" to claims that Hillary was calling for Obama to be assassinated (a real stretch that only someone really sick could believe), it is small wonder that almost half of Hillary's supporters in some areas are now vowing to vote for McSame rather than support the empty suit named Barack Obama. As to the nastiness of these e-mails circulated by the Obama campaign and Obama supporters, I even received one e-mail that claimed that Bill Clinton was a member of the KKK, which I KNOW to be patently FALSE!

I've heard enough hypocrisy, lies, and distortions from the Obama campaign to know ONE THING about the man--his "new kind of politics" is nothing more than a slogan since he has completely failed to change the tone of ANYTHING! If Obama actually wanted to raise the tone of the debate, he would NOT have fought tooth and nail against a re-vote in Michigan nor would he have allowed his campaign to spit out mass e-mails that promoted the idea that the Clintons were racists--a ploy that the Obama campaign clearly engaged in to win over AA voters who, in polls prior to the circulation of these vicious e-mails, actually demonstrated that Hillary Clinton was favored by MOST AA voters. Obama certainly go what he wanted out of those incendiary e-mails since Clinton's favorability among AA voters went from 80% to 9% and has NEVER recovered. Unfortunately for Senator Obama, that strategy may have overwhelmingly brought AA voters into his camp, but it also drove away plenty of women and white working class voters who felt that those e-mails demonstrated that Obama didn't give a rat's behind about ANYONE other than AAs! Just as Hillary Clinton can be blamed for a poorly run primary campaign that failed to plan beyond Super Tuesday, Barack Obama will have no one to blame but himself if he loses in November (which seems likely at this point, based on the number of Clinton supporters who have vowed to vote for McSame) because of the racially divisive campaign that he has conducted throughout.

Personally, there is NO WAY IN HELL that I will vote for McSame, but after the vicious, nasty e-mails that I have received from the Obama campaign and Obama supporters, it will take a good deal of effort from the Obama campaign to motivate me to vote for Obama. And if any of you Obama supporters want to know WHY women like me feel this way, all you need to do is go back and READ some of those vicious e-mails that some of you have been circulating--things like calling Bill Clinton a "Red-Faced Closet Racist" or a "member of the KKK" and WORSE! In short, you can blame yourselves for driving US away! And guess what? You are NOT winning ANY votes and are very likely to LOSE this election if you persist in labeling Clinton supporters as "racists", "stupid", "redneck", "bitches", etc. In short, if you actually WANT Barack Obama to WIN in November, you can start behaving in a civil manner toward the Clintons and Clinton's supporters. Based on e-mails that I have received and various blogs that I have read, I KNOW that many Obama supporters actually BELIEVE that they do not "need" Clinton's supporters to "win" in November. If you Obama supporters honestly believe that, then prepare yourself for President McSame in January 2009!

"I'm a 73 year old white woman and I'll not live to see a woman President thanks to the "in the tank" media and the stupid DNC. I'm not only bitter but I feel pure de old hatred toward them."

So? You're an angry, sexist, bigot who would vote for ANY woman soley because she has a vagina. And you refuse to vote for an able-bodied, emotionally-mature, serious, responsible candidate - soley because he's a man - who wouldn't have recklessly supported invading Iraq (like Hillary the politically calculating senator) and didn't vote last year to greenlight Joe Lieberman's ammendment (Kyle/Lieberman) to nuke Iran (which proved Hillary had learned nothing from her disasterous decision on Iraq).

But to you, the biggest outrage isn't that upwards of one million innocent people are now DEAD thanks to Hillary Clinton, it's that the media isn't "in the tank" for the candidate you want, no matter how horrible a campaign she's run, solely because she's a woman.

If you think being 73 supercedes your blind stupidity, bigotry, sexism, and inability to learn from past mistakes, you're much too dumb to be voting anyway.